I don't remember what triggered the conversation - it was either rain or non-vegetarianism.. either ways the emotional turmoil it led to stayed with me long after.
#1.
मी : तू लहानपणापासून ते आत्तापर्यंत किती कोंबड्या मारल्या असणारेस?
ससा: तू आत्तापर्यंत किती plants मारले असणार आहेस?
To be honest, the guilt has been with me since many years. My Cummins friend Gauri opined that all the so-called vegetarians are hypocrites because even the plants have life. A friend Atul told me that this moral debate has been discussed in Dnyaneshwari, the work of a great thinker Dnyaneshwar. A UF friend Kapil, has an interesting hypothesis, which he shared one day over Krishna Lunch - If we were to be self-reliant, we would have been green like plants and doing our own photosynthesis. To sustain our life, we HAVE to kill something, either a plant or an animal.
Inspite of Kapil's logical observation, the dilemna stayed with me. One day, the American guy, Ben, who taught me driving, dropped by for lunch. I shared my dal-rice with him, but politely refused his chicken-tiffin citing religious reasons. I explained that Hinduism is a very peaceful, non-violent religion, and hence meat is prohibited. I further shared that Hinduism is a very ancient philosophy and later Indian religions like Jainism built over it. Jains don't eat "roots" like onions, potatoes or garlic because a plant is killed in the process. In fact, Maharashtrian Hindus too ideally + ideologically do not eat onions n all during 4 months of "चातुर्मास". It is interesting to note that "Chaturmas" falls during the rainy season in India. Is it a coincidence that Onions, garlic are sort of dry things and can be stored to be eaten later? Maybe take them out of soil after they have led their life and then one can have them year-round?
It is okay to have my own misgivings at the back of my mind, but when Sasa directly accuses me that the food I eat has also led to wheat plant deaths, I take it as an effrontery and argue against it.
Me: The farmer only cuts out the flower that has the wheat seeds. Why will that kill the plant?
Note: My argument is based off the basil plant. My granny regularly cuts off the "मंजिरी" or tulsi seed agglomerate, yet that tulsi plant has been with us for 15+ years.
Sasa: If that did not kill the plant, why would the farmer need to sow seeds every year?
Me: Maybe the plant dies because of natural end of life cycle a few days/ months post the harvest.
Sasa: Or maybe the farmer cuts off a lot of plant during reaping, and so the rest of the plant just withers away.
One of the jokes that does rounds in India is that the cyberkids believe "plastic tetrapak yields milk" because they have never seen a cow being milked. Laugh as we may at their ignorance, we are no different. We come from a primarily agrarian country, but have no clue about how the food is grown. Never having seen the hardships of a farmer, we take things for granted.
#2.
.....yapp yapp yapp...
Me: So are the farmers gonna flip open their mobiles to check when would it rain?
Sasa: why do you think farmers wont have mobiles/ use technology?
Me: I think farmers don't need government or anyone to tell them when it will rain and all.
If I have to know a tool as a vital part of my career, I will learn it by myself if there is no tutorial.
Similarly, when their entire life-saving is rain-dependent, farmers will obviously learn to predict things in a year or two.
Why I think so: My granny grew up in Konkan, the East coast of Maharashtra. She can accurately calculate high tide/ low tide timings based on the phase of moon. When I had been to Dapoli, another place in Konkan, any random local person could warn us when to stay off the beach thanks to the low tide.
Sasa: Government puts so many satellites and all to forecast. US has such an advanced farming because they tell people so much about weather.
In retrospection, if they really knew when and when wouldn't it rain, the farmers wouldn't have sowed seeds only to have no rains later! And if really all the Government had to do was to put up more satellites, and broadcast info. to farmers, and it still couldn't do the job...........
One solitary lass's anguish wont change anything yet she seeks her answers.
#1.
मी : तू लहानपणापासून ते आत्तापर्यंत किती कोंबड्या मारल्या असणारेस?
ससा: तू आत्तापर्यंत किती plants मारले असणार आहेस?
To be honest, the guilt has been with me since many years. My Cummins friend Gauri opined that all the so-called vegetarians are hypocrites because even the plants have life. A friend Atul told me that this moral debate has been discussed in Dnyaneshwari, the work of a great thinker Dnyaneshwar. A UF friend Kapil, has an interesting hypothesis, which he shared one day over Krishna Lunch - If we were to be self-reliant, we would have been green like plants and doing our own photosynthesis. To sustain our life, we HAVE to kill something, either a plant or an animal.
Inspite of Kapil's logical observation, the dilemna stayed with me. One day, the American guy, Ben, who taught me driving, dropped by for lunch. I shared my dal-rice with him, but politely refused his chicken-tiffin citing religious reasons. I explained that Hinduism is a very peaceful, non-violent religion, and hence meat is prohibited. I further shared that Hinduism is a very ancient philosophy and later Indian religions like Jainism built over it. Jains don't eat "roots" like onions, potatoes or garlic because a plant is killed in the process. In fact, Maharashtrian Hindus too ideally + ideologically do not eat onions n all during 4 months of "चातुर्मास". It is interesting to note that "Chaturmas" falls during the rainy season in India. Is it a coincidence that Onions, garlic are sort of dry things and can be stored to be eaten later? Maybe take them out of soil after they have led their life and then one can have them year-round?
It is okay to have my own misgivings at the back of my mind, but when Sasa directly accuses me that the food I eat has also led to wheat plant deaths, I take it as an effrontery and argue against it.
Me: The farmer only cuts out the flower that has the wheat seeds. Why will that kill the plant?
Note: My argument is based off the basil plant. My granny regularly cuts off the "मंजिरी" or tulsi seed agglomerate, yet that tulsi plant has been with us for 15+ years.
Sasa: If that did not kill the plant, why would the farmer need to sow seeds every year?
Me: Maybe the plant dies because of natural end of life cycle a few days/ months post the harvest.
Sasa: Or maybe the farmer cuts off a lot of plant during reaping, and so the rest of the plant just withers away.
One of the jokes that does rounds in India is that the cyberkids believe "plastic tetrapak yields milk" because they have never seen a cow being milked. Laugh as we may at their ignorance, we are no different. We come from a primarily agrarian country, but have no clue about how the food is grown. Never having seen the hardships of a farmer, we take things for granted.
#2.
.....yapp yapp yapp...
Me: So are the farmers gonna flip open their mobiles to check when would it rain?
Sasa: why do you think farmers wont have mobiles/ use technology?
Me: I think farmers don't need government or anyone to tell them when it will rain and all.
If I have to know a tool as a vital part of my career, I will learn it by myself if there is no tutorial.
Similarly, when their entire life-saving is rain-dependent, farmers will obviously learn to predict things in a year or two.
Why I think so: My granny grew up in Konkan, the East coast of Maharashtra. She can accurately calculate high tide/ low tide timings based on the phase of moon. When I had been to Dapoli, another place in Konkan, any random local person could warn us when to stay off the beach thanks to the low tide.
Sasa: Government puts so many satellites and all to forecast. US has such an advanced farming because they tell people so much about weather.
In retrospection, if they really knew when and when wouldn't it rain, the farmers wouldn't have sowed seeds only to have no rains later! And if really all the Government had to do was to put up more satellites, and broadcast info. to farmers, and it still couldn't do the job...........
One solitary lass's anguish wont change anything yet she seeks her answers.